America wasn't 'really founded' until 1965, MS NOW guest historian argues ahead of 250th birthday

MS NOW guest and presidential historian Jon Meacham made the case on Wednesday that the U.S. as a "multiracial, multiethnic democracy" was not founded until 1965 in the days leading up to the Fourth of July.

"You know, we talk about, directly to your point, we talk about this as the 250th anniversary, which it is, of the Second Continental Congress passing the Declaration of Independence, fully beginning the Revolutionary War, which ultimately leads in 1787-1789 to the framing of the Constitution, the inauguration of George Washington, and the beginning of what we would see as a recognizable experiment in self-government, except that a lot of people weren’t included in that," Meacham said on MS NOW's "Morning Joe."

He continued, "And in that important sentence about 'all men being created equal,' men had a very particular application in that era. There’s a very good case to be made, I think, that we were really founded in 1965, that that’s when a multiracial, multiethnic democracy came more fully into being, with the Immigration and Nationality Act, with the Voting Rights Act. And so we’re really about 60 years old, and we’re a developing democracy in a lot of ways."

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However, Meacham, who has previously written speeches for former President Joe Biden, revered America's Founding Fathers as proof that "imperfect people can push us toward more perfect outcomes."

"Let’s remember that we have to honor them by following them. We can’t just preach. We have to practice," Meacham said.

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In the months leading up to the 250th anniversary of America's founding, several current and former MS NOW hosts have expressed trepidation about the holiday over the nation's history with slavery.

"They're going to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the country July 4th, but that's not our celebration," Rev. Al Sharpton said in April. "We were slaves then, and they celebrate signing the Declaration of Independence 1776. We were not even emancipated until 1863. So I don't know what everybody getting ready for a celebration [for]. You know that it seems crazy for me to have on the birthday hat at your birthday party. That ain't my party."

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Joy Reid, who previously worked for the network, noted last month that no one she knows who is Black will celebrate Independence Day, adding that Juneteenth is the real beginning of America.

"Whereas Juneteenth to me is the real thing that Fourth of July is, because we really were not a democracy until we ended slavery," Reid said. "And then we were really not a democracy until the people who lost the Civil War were finally forced to affirm and act upon the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, which they were not forced to do until the '60s."